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Add Portal:Law to the list of portals displayed on the homepage[edit]

Law is a broad and universal topic that can easily be put in the same class as those now listed on this page. It is as old as humankind, and reaches into every aspect of our lives, covering everything from codified customary practices to complex international treaties. The rule of law is understood to be fundamental to the concept of liberty itself. I would put it alongside History and the Arts in importance to humanity any day. bd2412 T 11:53, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, you're a lawyer. I don't think many others would rate it there. Portal:Law got 9340 page views in the last 90 days. There are 52 portals with more views.[1] The Wikipedia:Featured portals process ended in 2017. Portal:Law isn't featured and without a current process we can clearly not require new main page portals to be featured but I oppose Law on importance and interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Your ability to provide that opinion on this platform is a product of a wide range of legal systems. Don't underestimate the importance of the law. Without it, we fall into quite a bad situation. bd2412 T 22:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
Law is part of society and Portal:Law is listed at Portal:Society#Related portals. I just don't think it's of enough general interest to get its own listing. A biologist, chemist or physicist could argue life wouldn't even exist without their field but they don't get their own listing either. They are listed at top of Portal:Science. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:55, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
So is Portal:Arts. I don't think that such a relationship is the determinative factor. I would certainly put law up against the arts in terms of importance. bd2412 T 17:42, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
How would you put law up against the 52 categories mentioned above? Pageviews implies that readers rank law #52. Then again, my job has a lot of statistics, and when you're a hammer, everything's a nail. Art LaPella (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Another statistic is popular pages in WikiProjects. Wikipedia:WikiProject Law/Popular pages has 7 articles above 300,000 views in August. Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Popular pages has 74, Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Popular pages 68, Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Popular pages 92, Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Popular pages 202. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
The top eleven portals are, of course, the ones already on the main page, which is why they are the top eleven. Any portal added to that list would be near the top. Six of the portals above Portal:Law are about specific countries, all of which exist as countries by operation of law. Three portals refer to specific religions, which exist both under the protection of laws and as sources of law. There are some curiosities that appeal to popular but very specific interests, such as Portal:Erotica and pornography and Portal:Nudity (that one's a surprise), Portal:Video games, Portal:Free and open-source software, Portal:Spaceflight, and Portal:San Francisco Bay Area. I didn't know we had a separate Portal:Books and Portal:Literature. It might be equally worth noting that although there are ~42 portals more viewed than Portal:Law, there are over 575 that receive fewer views. I would also note that a proposal is currently underway to merge Portal:English law into Portal:Law, and that Portal:Crime and Portal:Freedom of speech could both quite plausibly be merged into Portal:Law. However, I would question whether pageviews equate to human importance. I suspect that if, for example, Portal:Mathematics was not on the main page, its viewership would drop fairly drastically. bd2412 T 03:49, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Law belongs squarely within Portal:Society. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:55, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
    • It does, but you could say the same about arts and biography, perhaps history as well. bd2412 T 03:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
      • Merging Portal Arts, History and Technology into Portal Society may have merit, but that I can immediately see counter-arguments and it should be taken slowly. You might say the same about Portal:Biography, but already 50% of content pages belong under that one portal. There are currently eight Main page linked subject area portals. Eight is not a magic number, but I think the number should not be largely than what can be taken in in one glance. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:06, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Disagree that "It is as old as humankind". It is only as old as society. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:59, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
That is probably more accurate, yes. As old as society is still a pretty significant measure. bd2412 T 04:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Why are you parrying that response. How about: The transition from prehistoric man to humankind is marked by the development of society and law? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:07, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
It has been estimated from archaeological data that the human capacity for cumulative culture emerged somewhere between 500,000–170,000 years ago.[1]
--SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:25, 25 September 2019 (UTC)


  1. ^ Lind, J.; Lindenfors, P.; Ghirlanda, S.; Lidén, K.; Enquist, M. (May 7, 2013). "Dating human cultural capacity using phylogenetic principles". Scientific Reports. 3 (1): 1785. Bibcode:2013NatSR...3E1785L. doi:10.1038/srep01785. ISSN 2045-2322. PMC 3646280. PMID 23648831.
There is a long developmental period during which primitive social groups had norms that functioned like laws, but had no mechanism for consistent application. At some point, thousands of years ago, the innovations of writing laws down and making them (theoretically) equally applicable to everyone of a certain standing wrought the change we still see today. The existence of laws governing ownership of property and enforcement of agreements make economics possible. Patent laws promote technological innovation and copyright laws spur artistic creation. The criminal law is largely what makes society operate under a principle different from "might makes right". Civil rights law is what gives us the ability to speak freely, assemble, and vote. When people disagree with a distasteful practice, they don't say "there ought to be an art" or "there ought to be a social practice". bd2412 T 04:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
You have a pro-Law bias. However, I don't disagree with anything you write here, and I agree Law deserves prominence in an encyclopedia, laws being written, and the nature of an encyclopedia being a written historiographical document.
I note as previously, of the main page linked portals, Portal:Society was the weakest. How about you consider merging Portal:Society and Portal:Law into Portal:Law and society and putting that on the main page? How much of Law does not pertain to society? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I see that Portal:Law already has Portal:Contents/Portals#Society and social sciences contained within. I think a general restructure of portals is required to make portal trees less pervasive than are category trees. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Law is too narrow a subset of Portal:Society. There are plenty of other sub-topics of Society which deserve at least as high a billing as law, e.g. politics, education, war, sport. If we start including all these VA-level-2 topics the mainpage will be swamped.
I'm more inclined to ask why any of the current 8 topic portals are linked from the mainpage. They are mostly as badly-designed as other portals, and while they are bigger and better-maintained than other portals, they are a very long way below the sort quality needed for such a prominent, permanent mainpage link.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Portals that should be linked from the Main page[edit]

The top eleven portals are, of course, the ones already on the main page, which is why they are the top eleven.

This is exactly right. There is currently a great deal happening with portals. So far it has concerned the bottom ranked hundreds of them being deleted. The question: What is the purpose of portals? has been asked and there is not a documented answer. I think all portals need review and re-development according to that question and how they attempt to serve that purpose. Deletion of the bottom end portals is not really a productive development. Development should involve the portals at the top.
Questions: Why are these few portals linked from the main page? Why them, and why only them? Should anything change? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Support - I believe that at this time of questioning about portals it is also appropriate to ask why these portals have this privileged position on the main page. They do not follow any layout pattern, either with the main page, each other, or with the other portals linked on the main page (Portal:Contents, Portal:Featured content and Portal:Current events).Guilherme Burn (talk) 13:34, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Good idea. Alexandra Feodorovna (Alix of Hesse) (talk) 08:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I hope this question is approached from the perspective of removing things that are no longer relevant to streamline and reduce clutter, and not adding things nobody asked for out of some sense of fairness. ApLundell (talk) 20:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

2019 California Blackout[edit]

I haven't made a page in years. Please redirect or delete or whatever if needed. Peregrine Fisher (talk) 19:13, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Peregrine Fisher How does this pertain to the Main Page? 331dot (talk) 19:15, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I think Peregrine Fisher wants an In The News event. See Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates, where among other things, you will learn your article isn't long enough yet. Art LaPella (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Good for Portal:Current events for the time being... --PFHLai (talk) 02:47, 13 October 2019 (UTC)